Jesus and Paul went with out sex. Advocating for women being in leadership is asking for equality and for what the Bible teaches; that is not feminism.. Thanks again! In the beginning I would test him all the time to see if he was serious. its called, http://lisasjoydd.blogspot.com. Christianity is a lot harder on women and children than it is for men, the men are living like kings and gods, promoting their superiority and rule while women and children are living like trapped miserable bottom kissing slaves. Lets see what passes the test of time and lets judge everything by its fruits (even though the negative and confusing fruits of your radical ideollogy can already be seen after a generation only. Does the power differential matter? You may be at war with Domestic Violence, and this is an honorable fight. Young girls will also learn from the behavior and may find themselves with abusive men because of familiarity. What does that actually mean? I think he made his point. I was hoping the article was good no to come out and say that all hitting, whether it is an adult or child, is assault, but I didnt see that. (1 Cor 7:4), the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. For instance, those who practice domestic discipline often cite scripture that calls for wives to submit to their husbands. And I expect I was twisting or misinterpreting scripture with the Mark 11 quote, wasnt I? Whats the problem with superior/inferior relationships? Jesus Christ did away with male rulership over women and clarified that women are equals to men. We are touching, hugging, playfully spanking, and making more love than ever before. Daisy, I just quoted those verses. Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. He will do it for 30 days at a time, but will give me another 30 right after the first if he thinks the first didnt make me submissive enough, during my everyday spankings. Its gonna happen. But I do not want a day when people wake up confused because women rights have been flushed down the toilets. If I put my wife in a french maid or indian princess outfit, am I not seeing, at least in part, a french maid or indian princess? But I know that some abusers prevent their victims from using the internet or they cyberstalk their activities on the web. The only time the word authority is used in conjunction of marriage in the New Testament is when the New Testament states that wives have authority over their husbands body. I dont know how wide-spread the practice was, but I remember my parents had no problem threatening me with discipline where other people from our church were within earshot and dont remember ever hearing any kind of shock or outrage from anyone else. Even when we get punished when we think we didnt do anything wrong we cant be disobedient. God made us women to serve and obey our husbands because he knows they needed help mates. If it makes it hotter for them to mix in some faith? As a little girl my biggest dream was to have the right to say NO to sex, NO to men. Send in your testimonials! How else can we understand what we havent gone through, or learn to avoid causing needless suffering to those around us? I was then put in the corner and Ben was instructed on how I should behave during corner time. that. Ive been thinking about this quite a bit. There is no biblical support for your position repeatedly quoting Eph 5.22 and the like is not proof for your stance, because you interpret such passages incorrectly. And the whole of the Christian Far East. There are some real sins out there. Here is my question to you: are you implying that the woman is a victim even if this situation and cannot truly consent? Make sure that everything you support is not flushed down the toilet because of arrogance, intolerance and a misplaced desire for controlling peoples lives. Spare the rod, spoil the wife I was engaged to a man for several years. Some men have apparently abused their authority, therefore any men having authority is bad. It doesnt follow. . You sit there on your high horse telling a survivor what her recovery should look like. Thankfully my friend helped me move and helped me get set up and even helped me secure a job. They then work out a document, a 30-page document describing every aspect of the relationship (the superior/inferior nature and all its practical implications, when and how spanking is to be performed, what the man can and cannot do, what the woman can and cannot do etc). Because people are increasingly dissatisfied by the standard domestic arrangements proposed by social scientists are looking for alternative arrangements more in line with human nature. It is not because you happen to discover it now that it is new thing. Specifically, those which would facilitate the investigation and assessment of, and protection his threats of extreme retribution if she were to make public her treatment, pursue legal action, or leave the relationship. I know for a long time I did not consider myself a battered or abused wife. You went from your father as protector/provider/authority to your husband as protector/provider/authority. He warned me many times and told me to stop or I would regret it. I love them but our relationship is often strained. Oh brother, that was too obvious. The truth is that I rarely disagree with household or DD decisions that he makes. I grew up in a very conservative, Southern household and was spanked at home until I left. The point is that whenever we are in a tough spot, I always emphasize that its whatever he decides and he knows that. We were soon an item and when marriage started to be a clear part of our future, I nervously brought up the subject of CDD. 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. (I dont have much time or interest right now to go through and read all comments left to me since I last was here, or comment on them all.) If you actually are a woman, how sad that you are participating in your own second-class status and actually defending it. Discipline spanking on the bottom is NOT abuse, its called just that, discipline. A lot of people, especially women who have been sexually abused by self professing Christian men or abused by a husband, are rejecting Christianity because of your sexist, un-biblical views. Jamin said he did not want to touch [redacted] who was still trying to sleep with her head on [redacted] left shoulder and [redacted] was just walking into his hand. Dont want me sticking my nose into your bedroom affairs? These three core values are essential: Communication, Consent, & Compassion. Just compare the divorce rates in 1960 with those of today. He is giving me enough leeway so I am not really stressed about it, and since our test spank, I know what Im in for if I fail. Send in your testimonials! Sorry Daisy, I forgot. He told me I was never to wear such slutty clothing and made me throw them all away (after beating my bottom). I cant imagine anyone here wants 100pinkapples to suffer from her trauma forever. And they have no right to it. Oh, come on, JA; Daisy of course speaks for all of us, which is why Daisy debates many of us, I believe myself included. Domestic Discipline Your position is unbiblical. Did you know the APA approves gender reassignment surgery as the best way to HELP a male patient who reports his inner self is really female? James truly believed in campaign, Christian Domestic Discipline/Loving Wife Spanking in a Christian Marriage is not satire -- and I just can't get it out of my head. So when I serve my husband its not out of weakness, but out of strength. Did you find someone to share with? One of our problems was that Ben wanted to go to his church, where they didnt believe in CDD, so we had no support system, but my pastor told me that I had to be submissive and that God would work all out in the end. I didnt fancy them seeing my panties, but we agreed. May we all be "wounded healers" who do no harm. No woman wants to be slapped around, and certainly not because it has anything to do with not being able to find a macho man to date. He began by making a case for many years. If you start fantasizing about someone else when you are making love, or at any other time, I think you are praying your partner out. We met through church but I dont know what his family background was. There is plenty of information out there, why dont you do your research instead of spreading intolerance and hatry. Its quite amazing that she had the strength to leave. If legal action is taken, what measures can be used to make sure it is successful and results is the appropriate penalties rather than a slap on the wrist? This new 3-part podcast series is not a like any of my previous writings on the subject of Domestic Discipline. Example please? A Lone Voice, your voice will be really lonely in the SSB doghouse if you keep up with the condescending remarks. Im the one who recommend it, it really helps the relationship for me. In this first article we will demonstrate how the practice of domestic discipline aligns perfectly with Biblical principles and commands regarding marriage. Not a single male rose to my defense. Male rulership of women is common all over the world, because it is a result of sin entering humanity, just as God had predicted: God told the woman man would rule over her God was saying that was a result of the Fall. Note: 51% of standard marriages result in divorce DD marriage are maybe 1% Is it better to receive a spanking or get a divorce? I know I am a question box but I also know that what you experienced is going on in homes around the country and people just like you are labeling it as normal just because of what you described because parents are taught that its ok to spank children even through adulthood as long as they are under the fathers roof. This posthas been very difficult for me emotionally. His wife is swatting him with a riding crop because he failed to be a good pony and iron her clothes. What do you mean by Feminist site? In Laurens situation, she described her husband as calm and never in anger, yet he referred to her in demeaning terms, little girl, as a father would say to a child. Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. But unlike the "Cry U.S.E." Bike Bubba, when your wife dresses as a french maid, you still see her, albeit as a french maid, and not Kim Kardashian or some other woman (and I really fear for your taste as well Kim Kardashian of all people). It was there that I met Christ and started down my path to happiness. Does anyone have advice? Anonymous, christianddgroup.typepad.com, 13. My bad experiences hardened me and now my marriage is helping me relax my rigid boundaries.I always said that I would never leave the city and here I am willingly becoming a country housewife. Mrs. Submission, christianforums.net, 10. Is it Fair for A Fat Christian Man to Expect His Wife to RemainFit? Church youth group leaders would tell young ladies that modest is hottest and make it clear that exposing any kind of skin somehow made a woman loose or of a certain kind. My parents had total veto power over what I could wear. Somewhere out there, a guy is trotting around his living room on all fours, wearing a leather thong and nothing else but a saddle on his back. Been hearing about abuses for OVER 50 years. . This 3. We were (and still are) a very young couple and both of our families had faith in our relationship. I bought some lingerie (nothing really scandalous) and wore a pair one night. Right now, you are in a state of intellectual intolerance that you try to justify by invoking science. Pompous nothing, but nothing. The Biblical Case for Domestic Discipline, Follow Biblical Gender Roles on WordPress.com, Enduring and Overcoming the Trials and Temptations ofSingleness, Three Biblical Approaches to Sex inMarriage. When you get to point of saying that none of these can be Christian women and if they are, they jolly well need to repent of their sin, then you are straining at gnats. But when you seriously contend that there mere fact that our Lord appeared first to women and told them to tell the men negates the creation ordinance, Deborahs curse of wimpy Barak and the clear words of the Holy Spirit on this subject through the Apostle Paul, then I suggest you have really lost touch with the will of God. Christian Domestic Discipline (Wife Spanking Yesterdays post at ACJF, http://cryingoutforjustice.com/2015/07/03/a-typical-characteristic-of-an-abuser-he-never-stops-trying/, addresses this very phenomenon: It is not surprising that abusers are accusers. Jamin said [redacted] tried to leave the bedroom and walked into his hands. I told Jamin I saw marks on [redacted] neck and they appeared to have been caused by the end of fingers, possibly nails. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. The professionals are the ones to turn to. I had numerous discussions with people that wanted to begin or improve their Christian Domestic Discipline relationship. I love DD. What you need to understand and accept is that people having this type of relationship proceed in a way closer to this scenario than the romantic date approach you imagine. . This is how people get confused when Trump is elected. They did not see his authority as abusive, but appropriate. Jamin usually keeps a pistol under the mattress and one on top of the refrigerator. TIL hitting your spouse is the key to making relationships work. the problem with domestic discipline, as with teacher/student sexual assault is that it is improbable that there was true consent. Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. Those wacky scientists have way more education than you or I, so obviously you cannot correlate education with wise and good choices. You need to be more Christ-like, Jesus never told a woman that she had to be subject to any man, have sex with her husband against her will. Julie Anne, like Daisy, you too are filtering the Bible through experiences as well as using a logical non-sequiter. Lots of the kids who bullied me until I cried in junior high were MALES. And no, the experiences, however bad, do not nullify the word of God. Please be careful if you are easily triggered by topics of abuse. Debate is fine. But for her husband, and possibly her father, if that is what him and her husband agree on, then I dont think it is wrong. And, isnt that just your whole argument? But I do reinterpret it in light of those experiences, and the light of common sense and human decency. Uh oh. It might not be terribly feminist to say so, but other women like feeling powerless during conjugal relations. Young boys in these homes will likely learn this behavior of entitlement over women and repeat it. It's not a book on Christian Domestic Discipline, but on Domestic Discipline and was written by a woman. You think you are just but you are what the Bible calls a mocker. Following this lifestyle that you have described has turned us around completely. And like you, I really enjoy being described as a feministit means a ton of different things, but generally its not something I get accused of, either. Jesus bucked the patriarchal norms of his own culture to teach women. This perception betrays the fact that you are hating what you do not even understand. Abusing men need to be taken to task (no, I dont know how, and in some cases they just never will be) but the fact of their existence does not mean God was wrong to say that the man is the head of the wife and that he shall rule over thee. For instance, those who practice domestic discipline often cite scripture that calls for wives to submit to their husbands. My father hated women and little girls, he hated raped little girls, he hated two year old little girls. ), (Cherry picking or distorting verses such as _1 Tim 2.12_ and keep tossing them my way does not count. Do not expect her to be silent through this experience though. Ill critique whatever you are making public. I do not find your opinion disguting, but I find this tactic disgusting. You are more than a conqueror through Jesus who loves you. WebThen I went to college and met my husband James, and became a Christian. It really is that good. Webchristian domestic discipline; Corset Waist Training; Deep Thoughts; Exercise and Chocolate; Fiction; maintenance; marriage; my submissiveness; Orgasm Control; Pierced Nipples; Punishment; Spanking; Submission; swingers When a young woman still living in her fathers household makes a vow to the Lord or obligates herself by a pledge After a while I learned that this was really Gods plan for the household and wanted it for myself when I was married. I believe the misogynists you identify are not Christians. I dont believe they are Christians. Your views are not applicable and do not work for women who are in poverty, who live in other nations, and who are never-married, widowed, infertile, divorced. Now ( standard marriage) she refused to wash the until tomorrow as a result of this and her attitude the marriage is over. Jamin was holding up his left hand and motioning his right hand into his left hand as he explained [redacted] actions. The site must be rubbing off on me. Anyone who can inspire such bitterness in us still has a hold over us. People are lost and growing frustrated). So, if youre the family bully and thats the way its always been, does your wife really consent to being bullied? These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, and you are unwilling to come to Me (John 5.39, 40). It never occurred to me to suppose that 100pinkapples might not be a Christian. I dont know if my Mom was ever spanked. They plan these relationships and there is no knowledge asymmetry. He demanded that his wife call him sir.. Even the words used I think make some women question whether it is wrong or not. and gave the man more work into the bargain. In the case you need to discipline your wife while on a voyage, you know you can do so without attracting attention. You are, by your writing, an intelligent adult. As far as I can see, no one in this conversation is opposed to the Bible or its teachings, but to your interpretation of them. Youll get prayers and someone standing with you to get rid of the bad stuff and move on. Watts' first-hand experience of Fundamentalist Christian male dominance is pretty sobering. It was very difficult because it was not like I had a black eye or bruises. 1. I got spanked at home until I left to be with my ex when I was 21. I may be submissive, but Im no idiot doormat! Anonymous,experienceproject.com. What is Christian domestic discipline s Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage Just as our Lord washed the feet of His disciples, it wasnt to show that He was beneath them, but to show that real leadership serves. Regina, christianforums.net, 9. Tell him to clear off out of your life. And the whole of Christian Eastern Europe and Russia. Why are women in a similar, and even more benign relationship seen as victims, non-free agents, and not capable of the free thought it might take to walk out the door? Are you officially divorced now? That is called assault and battery and is illegal. WebJennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. Nope, cant go there anymore. I think he probably smacked my bottom about 10 times (bare bottom, OTK, with his hand). Each jurisdiction has its own laws and its own policies for how law enforcement deal with domestic abuse. _Benevolent sexism: Men who open doors for women can be as sexist as those who are rude to them, study finds_. Finally, Daisy be more Christ-like; keep your nose out of my bedroom. Biblical Case for Domestic Discipline This is a tool among others, people do not hit as a substitute for talking unlike what you suggest. Carrie, what conclusion did Pat Robertson come up with to help this husband? Many of them are even written by women in these relationships. Go back to the word (Luke 4:1-13) and see for yourself. (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? Do any of you no-doubt scrupulously well-balanced people with whom all wisdom will die understand that there are all sorts of emotional triggers that turn people on, and that some women love being spanked and find it erotic?