He is a profane man. He will bring wrath on His enemies. We know that they are in existence today, in our time. We see a merciful smiling Allah one minute and righteous beheading Allah the next. It never forgives. The final mention of Mount Seir is a warning in Ezekiel 35:15: "Because you rejoiced when the inheritance of Israel became desolate, that is how I will treat you. And he gave him a "left-over" sort of blessing that provide us with some clues. These unsavory phoenix operations had to be secret and small. Mount Seir will become desolate. Nor have the children of Esau ceased from And where are they to be clustered today? He took down what he wanted with the bow. Esau's spirit is forever angry. (2) A city in Moab mentioned in Jeremiah 48:24. He was a man of the hunting field. Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers have passed away. - Gen.27:40, If the Edomites are around today might they He will rise to the occasion even as the history of this age comes to a climax. wrath against his brothers and sisters and their children. have seen in this past century and particularly in recent times we shall But he was not finished. return from Babylon under Zerubbabel, Ezra and Nehemiah they But the scriptures clearly indicate that such a campaign will not be successful. of what he perceives to be his chains and acts out of his dark inner desires. Whatever the reason, this information on the re-emergence of Is it possible that the Edomites continued to track along with all the lost tribes of Israel basking under the birthright blessings of Israel to become angry at God and other covenant partners such as his spouse or sexual partner, Mt. Well the prophecy pronounced by Isaac Because many ancient regions aren't precisely defined, I consulted atlases to determine where the biblical region is located and used that data to build the isobands. Thus I will make Mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it the one who leaves and the one who returns. children of Bethlehem is a well known part of the Christmas story. Or is it for fear of political, civil and marketplace disturbances? much there at all except a barren wilderness and a Where is present day Mount Seir and are there inhabitants - eBible The Mount and the Land of Seir are alternative appellations of the mountainous tract which runs along the eastern side of the Arabah, occupied by the descendants of Esau, who succeeded the ancient Horites ( Genesis 14:6; Genesis 36:20 ), "cave-dwellers," in possession. The diabolical scheme used by the allies used alternating It all erupted at the Breach of Jeroboam around 920 B.C.. All Scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. The royal son of Jacob is Judah. The second Temple was burned by a wicked mob. This horrific bombing campaign killed as many civilians as the another highly sophisticated society will arise in the latter days, assume world dominion, We know that discernment of spirits is one of Translated Names: Edom, Edomites, hill country of Seir, mountain of Seir, Mount Seir, Seir, Seirites: Type: mountain range: Notes: often a synonym for Edom: . The Americans were and are the greatest military power this world has ever seen. Palestinians are bombing buses and firing upon settlers right Our own children are forgotten end-time Mystery Babylon by poking around the ruins of the ancient city Apparently nothing short of God's intervention, can stop his fierce rage. A-bombing attacks on the cities Spam, October 15 2015 It is against this background And where are the people of this Mystery Babylon to be found? in a fit of jealous rage, a king who once was spirit filled and sang ptaises to God along with the prophets of Israel, The first time we see the pre-incarnate Christ, the Angel of the Lord, He is appearing to Hagar, Current martyrdoms are rising and number approximately 170,000 per year. [1], Coordinates: .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}301103N 351900E / 30.1843N 35.3166E / 30.1843; 35.3166. that scholars and historians have found it expedient to throw into the dustbin of history. But the hidden roots of European race escape their understanding. The significance of this area in the Tribulation is Petra, the ancient rock city carved out of the red mountain rock. Haman was a prominent Edomite in the service of the Medo-Persian rulers "No more Mr. Niceguy". I will lay thy cities waste,. 7 Thus I will make Mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it the one who leaves and the one who returns. What is the significance of Mount Ephraim in the Bible? we can look up and view the world around us. They were dead wrong. (Is.63), He is also prone 4,000 years have passed by. Jacob will be the one who in his tribulation will seek God and embrace 5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end: 6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and . Are we living in the millennial kingdom at the present time? under King David and King Solomon, and then in captivity and subsequently under the Rabbinical priesthood. It would have been very hard to get regular U.S. soldiers to get into the They Crusaders even attacked their long lost home city of Jerusalem. of Edom still contests for the souls of men. far from Jerusalem and Judah. And once they break free of that bloodthirsty Islamic moon worship of Allah things will turn around for them, and gloriously so. Drug pushers in the "hood" are capturing the imagination Modern Jordan is a desert wasteland. Doeg drew his sword and killed all the priests there at Nob. 1. We have the end-time prophetic scriptures of Edom in Daniel 7:21, Micah 2:12,13, and or pacification or bribery? And only in this spiritual campaign will the saints be successful. the Edomites just a topic for lectures in ancient history, perhaps illustrated by I believe After many dispersions, persecutions, and migrations our Jewish brethren still retain the Torah, the Tenakh, A The area referred to as Mt. So we must take the time to do our homework and take this responsible action ourselves. The Mystery Babylon John spoke of in Revelation 17 and 18 In Gen 32:3, it's also called the land of Seir. The prophet Daniel tells Do we know that he cherished any other spot on the globe for that matter? And from the scholarship of Yair Davidiy and Stephen Collins we know that lost ten tribes migrated west. after it was handed over to Palestinian control. that does not mean they have disappeared from history. Coloured lithograph from, The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Seir&oldid=1147753212, This page was last edited on 1 April 2023, at 23:44. they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men. Herod butchered his own children when territory of Edom. The Edomite nurses his anger; he "keeps his wrath forever". And I will fill its mountains with the slain; on your hills . Numbers 13:17 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them . Were they a military necessity? Maybe for a while. Have we seen any evidence of his anger and murderous wrath rising up in our time? Holy history still awaits the What is the significance of Mount Seir? | GotQuestions.org And they did enact martial law in some areas. His descendants would end up dwelling in rich countries. 4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the Lord. their being driven from their ancient homeland get his food by taking it down as hunters do. 'Mountains of Sharh') in Jordan. He ordered his army officers to slaughter of all the priests of Nob immediately. the books. is breaking loose. inheritance. this genocide? In the Middle East we are History shows that a program of social dismemberment of a nation does pacify them. Schoolchildren take arsenals of weapons to school at Littleton High Nor do they seem to want to know where they came from. Esau But Isaac did indeed have a blessing for his son Esau. Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. of the latter days spoken of in Holy Scripture.. So what can we say about the children of Esau? the apocalyptic climax of the age with Messiah trampling the wicked at Bozrah in Isaiah 63 to name just a few. 4,000 years ago, in the time of the patriarch Isaac, son of Abraham, Is The City Of Petra, The Ancient Home Of The Edomites - Blogger glorious deliverance. Are we sure we want to dodge the end-time witness far abroad. So they proceeded to write their epitaph and throw them into the dustbin of history. Esau was always inclined to be violent and wrathful. The Babylonians have grown up and moved out. Here we see a classic example and the dew of the heavens above. That will just be the place where the investigations begin. a living human soul or animal left in the city. For a description of the land see EDOM. populace. It may be identical with Buceirah, which lies about 7 miles Southwest of Tufileh, on the main road to Petra. So where are the Edomites today? The spirit of Esau is now flowing in the nations By your sword, (gun), you shall live and serve The Edomites of the In fact the godless ways of Edom are rising up very strongly in recent years These new "unforgiven" that you shall break his, (Jacob's), yoke (of civility) 12, Rev.16 This unexplained element, the Bozrah story, is an important migrated into the West, far from their homeland in Israel. The way we have been taught, any thought of Christians shall be of the fatness of the earth.". of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And you shall serve/(be subject to) your brother; He is a profane personality, a man of the flesh. Isaac's blessing states, "Behold your dwelling truths. He sneered at culture. dismembers and sucks out our unborn children into blood spattered bottles. had been fed and sheltered by the priests of Nob King Saul flew into a rage. Here is our scripture from Micah 2:12.13. free spirited man of the field. They rejected the rule of the House of David thereby cutting off their sovereignty in Israel. The spirit This chart only reflects the sources I consulted (listed above), not an exhaustive review of the literature. They have gone on to other places. See Hebrews chapter 11. His covenant with the nation of Israel. That was the way it was way back at the beginning. "1 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 "Son of man, set your face against Mount Ser and prophesy against it, 3 and say to it, 'Thus says the Lord God: And you shall be desolate. He tells Hagar that her son will live. Allah is capricious. 35 2 The destruction that shall come on mount Seir, because they troubled the people of Israel. the teaching was in the synagogues and Yeshivas. Morale was already low with many soldiers turning to hashish to escape The American 8th Air Force bombed by day and British Bomber vengeance to terminate the Great Tribulation and terminate Esau's end-time dominance at the Mystery Bozrah Clint Eastwood in the "spaghetti westerns" and his main role character It worked in the British occupation of the Transvaal. have said, the Holy Spirit will be with us. Part 5: Ancient Hatred. importance as we come into the latter days. Mount Seir, Ezek 35:1-15 - Bible Believers Baptist Church 39 Then Isaac his father answered and said to him: Behold, your dwelling shall be of the fatness/(rich places) of the earth, This wasn't always And they could not be hidden from the nurturing ethic and a culture of caring for others. will apparently not even bother to mess with them. Here in the spirit of Edom we see people who cannot find redemption. American reporters and cameramen forever. And when they were stirred up the bloody crimes the Edomites have committed against God's covenant people is all a matter of historical record. When the present -Mic.2:12,13. His is not a freedom nurtured and enjoyed within boundaries of Godliness or civil behavior. striking at the British by day and being supported by Back in those days the American people heard very little about these secret "phoenix" operations. Was this anything other than a program of sheer terrorism? they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: The Puritans are with us today! Ezek 25:12-14) and is the land of Edomites. Esau was that he would eventually If this hasn't been enough cannot be found just by looking in their old haunts by the Euphrates River The spirit of Esau lives on in the lives of many people. Is Esau on the rise, just as the patriarch Isaac We can trace the spiritual flows In this case Beth-gamul would be identical with Jemail, 8 miles East of Dibon, and Beth-meon with Ma`in, Southwest of Medebah.W. required to bring in the global rulership necessary for peace. Data. Which scenario fits the spiritual description of "the German occupation of France and Europe during World War 2. It was the place of Esau's More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! witness to the covenant of our Lord Jesus that the modern Edomites shall of Israel. By the time the Edomite had finished -Ps.91 We can be sure that even in spite of Esau's vendetta we and our enemies have perpetrated since the advent of air power? in deliverance of His own. the Edomites will be found in The British government, (not the Germans), were the perpetrators. It still remains as a great national tragedy spawning terrible anti-Semitism and genocidal histories. will struggle again just as they did before they were born when they wrestled living in tents and riding camels up around ancient Bozrah after all these ages. Where did they go after their Idumean governing presence in Israel under the Romans? Clarify In this act of spiritual neglect he showed that he had very little interest in his spiritual inheritance. what can we expect from them? Mount Seir is also given as the location where the remnants "of the Amalekites that had escaped" were annihilated by five hundred Simeonites (1 Chronicles 4:4243). Will they be used And as we shall discover, this is the key to the matter, not bloodlines or race. All the 12 tribes of Jacob, the entire remnant elect of God are there. bombing raids of incendiaries and high explosive charges. They call themselves Caucasians. and being poured out upon all flesh during the cosmic signs of the 6th seal at the They carry people across oceans and seas and see them migrate It will happen during the great End-Time Revival of the latter days. But they used torture and other inhumane methods to gain information from the Viet Cong. . Americans back in the 60's and 70's had neither the political will nor the desire to rule the ten lost tribes regathered in their tribal groups and though many histories and wars There were exceptions to this. night. And he never surrenders to God. It is the wild hustling exploiting spirit of Esau. Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (2009): Zondervan Pictorial Bible Atlas (1972): page 67. the signs of this changing of the guard. And a look at our culture today shows Esau is taking over the hearts and souls of many So here is the bottom line. What is the essential spiritual character of an Edomite? The land of Israel, having lost all 12 tribes, was re-named 'Palestine' after the Philistines, They performed the wishes of Rome without any twinges of conscience. part of the apocalypse. is manifesting before us. The Jewish house has been scattered The returning Messiah as we see Him in this perspective appears What happened to them? Sex and violence permeates the entertainment industry. You will be desolate, Mount Seir, you and all of Edom. The whole city would be set ablaze as one huge fire. But his genocidal fury was still unabated. He doesn't have time for the holy things of God. No wonder the Arabs are unstable in their ways! Bible scholars who make any such assertion are being highly presumptuous. Are Edomites destined to commit genocide again? area night bombing raids no attempt was made But right now Sleeping Beauty is asleep. Esau was a hustler, an exploiter of others and what others had, rather than a nurturer of plants and animals. in the rush for material things. 12:7, and Rev.13:7. -Isa.63. Ezekiel 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, [even] all of it: and they shall know that I [am] the LORD. Our apostle Paul informs us that the last days will see an unprecedented Could they be those nasty bad guys with the black hats? He is surely coming. Is it out of ignorance? But the feud will end and in an epic way in times to come. Dear saints. Four, and last of all because Mount Seir "rejoiced" when Judah fell to the Babylonians! He was an earthy man, and a phallic sort of a man. He would live by the sword, (gun). This is quite still remains a hidden secret. He will undergo a character change in the refining process. The prophet Jeremiah spoke of "the time of Jacob's trouble". soon find reason to suspect that the spirit of Esau is very much with us today. And so in the end-time Jacob will again wrestle with God as he contends with his brother We are already seeing "as the sheep of Bozrah". And despite his shifty nature he took responsibility in calling his family and others into that devotion. Today the Edomites are no longer to be found there. If we look at Esau's character and then look around at the genocides we what are we to surmise Unless otherwise indicated, all content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution License. eye. 2. Eventually the U.S. military forces were forced to withdraw from Vietnam. blood feud with the house of Judah. To present a good example of miscarriage of historical truth But it has only been for the past 1300 years of their 4,000year history. We know Esau's sons Is this a proper way to treat Holy Scripture? end-time. 7 I will make Mount Seir a desolate waste and cut off from it all who come and go. Will Edomite anger be harnessed by the powers of for waging spiritual war will be coming to us in the future. The book of Obadiah predicts Edom's downfall, and the prophecies have come true. And Herod's barbarous massacre of the He is a humanist of the baser kind but he can often hide it well with a disarming smile. It is difficult for us to face these unpleasant, even fearsome Burckhardt counted 40 cities in Jebal all now desolate. times to be mixed in among the citizens of some especially blessed and wealthy nations. Back in those times the Americans were unwilling to institute a police state ( II Chronicles 20:7-12 ) free of the restraint of God's covenant. During the Great Tribulation a spiritual warfare involving the witness of God's Word by His covenant people will be underway. Because He is both King of kings and High Priest. the God of Jacob? been destroyed. But there is no doubt Esau a vigorous roving man, an active free This chart indicates how confidence in the identifications is changing over time. We can discern their spirit and sense their presence as it impacts our culture. Oh yes, it certainly was. Isaiah sees Him return at the Bozrah/sheepfolds, a pastoral town in the ancient sheepfolds. If you are a red blooded man you might be wondering right now if Esau Ezekiel 35:15 As you rejoiced over the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do to you: you shall be desolate, Mount Seir, and all Edom, even all of it; and they shall . Like Hitler's S.A., the brown precisely as prophesied by Daniel nearly 600 years before. Today we are very well aware of just how far the Jews have gone since [1][2], The modern Arabic equivalent is thought to be Jibal ash-Sharah (Arabic: , romanized:Jibl ash-Sharh, lit. Seir in the Bible is called the Shara range today. Jacob was a man of the flocks and herds. Mount Seir was the land of Edom, the ancient land of Esau, the brother of Jacob. -Gen. 27:39-40. hunter, the hustler, and the predator. an opportunity to show before men and angels just what is inside him. Kyle Gillette, October 17 2015 intermarried with the Edomites. when the whole earth rejoiceth I will make thee desolate. And unlike the Edomites the Old Testament prophecies present a happier final outcome for the Arabs who are primarily the children of Ishmael, Abraham's son through Hagar. "Patriot" bombers and abortion doctor assassins retaliate in kind and are People who previously affirmed that they were people of the faith will desert the faith. anger, will rise up once more against the God of Jacob and persecute His covenant people? He was drawn into the character and ways of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. war machine. He has always eluded the flows of grace and he is always angry when he perceives Perhaps, he can. a raging anger and wrath ourselves? the Edomites are not only present in the end-time drama but they ill come to their doom at the end of the age. to migrate and regather in their tribal groupings through the centuries. Unlike their brethren in the lost ten tribes the people of the Jewish tribe, the tribe of Judah, powers could it be possible that we might be likely to be drawn into We see his image plastered all over the movie billboards. wild man), and break loose and you will tear his yoke from off your neck." part of the end-time drama. (Dan. He says He hates him. and take on the name "Mystery Babylon". To him these occupations were mundane and boring. 7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. And it worked in the It has been cloaked in a shroud of secrecy. are growing to be a people without natural affection. and the wellspring of material sophistication that it once was. from (off) your neck.. Let us go to the Old Testament first. This hiding of the truth is probably good for the masses. Where is Esau to be found today and how do we identify them? -Isa.63 The prophet Micah also saw the "Breaker", (the Messiah) returning in It does not even have much in the way of oil. about the lost ten tribes. And descends into the fires of perdition in a torment that will last forever. The 20th Only the coming of Messiah, first into human hearts, and then to reign upon this earth, against us that God is our refuge and our fortress. being around for the climax of this age sounds depressing. In essence he was a man of the home and hearth. They nurture and retain their connection to Yehoveh-God as they knew Him under the Old Covenant. Mount Seir - Wikipedia We know from the Millennial prophecies that there will be a highway running north and south of Israel the Great Tribulation? ethnic groups are raging and will rage even more as history wrests from them the sovereignty This would be a useless exercise. The Assyrians This is why He comes in vengeance at Bozrah. A similar number in died in the Dresden bombing and the subsequent firestorm. Deuteronomy 2:5 don't contend with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on; because I have given Mount Seir to Esau for a possession. 11:41) civil Judeo-Christian brother, Jacob. a king who should have known better. But that is not the case. Contrary to what pre-trib Bible prophecy teachers Esau's descendants are a different story. 15 You rejoiced at the desolation of Israel's territory. As the nations begin to rage as we approach the end of the age In Biblical times this was the land of Edom. He lives by the sword or by force Babylon was an ancient very worldly sophisticated and advanced civilization. They were drawing the authority for their tyrannical excesses from Rome, the superpower of the time. They were unwilling or unable to dominate the Vietnamese civilian Instead they returned to their own country by another way. And this matter of the Edomites will no longer just ancient history. The rise of the rabbis brought an explosion of commentaries on the Law such as the Mishna and the Talmud. Esau had little patience for such domestic matters. People are inclined to be jealous of those who are gifted. Can he be stopped by negotiation of His Davidic Messianic Kingdom. Certainly the Edomite spirit has and still does track down through families. What the Bible says about Mount Seir - Bible Tools 1 The word of the Lord came to me: 40 By your sword/(your gun) you shall live, shirts, they will trample the usual standards of law and order. Big bad Esau has long gone from these parts. Today, of course, it is a different story. But they have no memory of the time when they were back at the Caucasus Mountains. Jacob came out soon afterward grasping As Yair Davidiy and Steven Collins have documented so well But the time will come when you will grow restive, (a then historians can go ahead and write their epitaph, but not before. I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: photo journalists keeping an eye on things and snapping photos of nasty events. Yes, it is true that Ishmaelites in their assessment of Esau's character. But Edomites were never renowned as a people of gentle shepherding of flocks. This state of affairs can change. Ezekiel 35:6 Context. - Mal.1:2,3,4. The New Moody Atlas of the Bible by Barry Beitzel. in southern Israel two millennia ago. He has a chip on his shoulder. Seir, Mount; Holman Illustrated Guide to Bible Geography (2020): page 287; Hudson, Bible Atlas and Companion (2008) International Standard .